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Being independent at school

Last post 07-05-2009 11:20 PM by Felicia. 7 replies.
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  • 10-02-2008 6:05 AM

    • mama2SnJ
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    Being independent at school

    Joli is 7 and has been home almost 2 years now. She is doing really
    well in math but is behind in her reading & writing. Yesterday when
    I picked Joli up, her teacher said that she needs to be more
    independent. She is always a child with a lot of questions, and
    apparently when he is presenting a lesson she isn't waiting for him
    to finish giving instructions before asking questions. Then when
    it's time for her do her classwork, she wants him right there beside
    her so he can be there to answer her questions and/or watch her to
    makes sure she is "doing it right.". Joli doesn't seem to believe
    that she can do the work on her own. Also the teacher said she
    worries too much about getting everything perfect.

    I do know that from helping her with her homework, that sometimes
    (esp if her assignment is to write a paragraph about X) she will have
    wonderful ideas in her head which she can vocalize but (between the
    ESL issues and the vision issues) can't get them clearly across on
    paper. Getting the ideas from her head onto the piece of paper is
    hard for her.

    BTW: She and my husband had a daddy-daughter night yesterday. He
    took her out and asked her how she thought school was going. She
    said that she wants paper with the lines farther apart so she has
    more space to write in and she wants bigger darker lines on the pages
    too. She wants bigger print in her books. She also said the hand-
    held white board that she has is not working out as well as I had
    thought. (This might be part of why she is asking so many
    questions.) Apparently when there are notes on the big classroom
    board that she needs to copy, she goes up to the big board and looks
    at it and then returns to her seat and tries to write what was on the
    board from memory, and often forgets. (I think this is mostly with
    spelling words.) We suggested to her that she take the little white
    board up with her and copy directly off the big board there rather
    trying to do it at her seat. She said she tries that but the other
    kids complain that she is taking too long & is blocking their view. I
    am thinking of asking her teachers (she has 2 one who teaches Mon-Wed
    & one who teaches Thurs & Fri -- ahh team-teaching)to prepare
    enlarged hand-outs of what is written on the big board for her. (But
    of course sometimes a teacher doesn’t always know what is going to go
    on the board ahead of time.) It seems unfair to me that she has copy
    things onto the little white board herself and then take that back to
    her seat and complete the assignment in her notebook while the rest
    of the class just looks at the BIG board and completes the assignment
    in their book. Joli has the extra step of 1st copying the info onto
    her little board. Of course that eats up a little bit of time each
    time Joli has to do that. So she then finishes her assignments after
    everybody else leaving her feeling like she is playing catch up all
    day. I am also thinking that in addition to her little white board,
    a clip board and loose leaf paper may help her too.


    I am worried because right now she is in a class with 7 other
    students and so is able to receive a lot of personal attention. (Her
    ESL lessons are one-on-one for example.) Next year, however, we are
    moving and she will be in a much larger school and her class will be
    about 20-25 kids. If she is having trouble being independent in a
    class of 8, what will happen in a class of 20? (we live in London now but are moving back to Maryland next year) BTW: Also wondering is it possible to list class size in an IEP in
    the States? Her teacher now is saying that she takes up a lot of his
    time and needs a lot of individual attention. This is in a class of
    8 kids (Small school) and next year when we move her class size will
    be about 20 -25 kids. That makes me nervous. I would rather keep her
    in a small class.

    Ahh another question (Sorry): When your kids get pulled out for
    services (Braille, O&M, ESL, etc.) what are they missing that's going
    on in class and how/when do they make up what was missed?

    Thanks,
    Lauren

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



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  • 10-02-2008 8:13 AM In reply to

    • jonella59
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    Re: Being independent at school

    How old is Joli?

     I would advise taking her to a low vision specialist who will be able to assess her needs for school--print size, lighting, distance viewing, etc. and help you select aids and make reccomendations that best suit her needs.  However, my  two pieces of advice from personal experience are to have them help her select a monocular for distance viewing--she can remain in her seat and use it to view the material on the board and work directly in her notebook, avoiding having to copy everything first and using up time walking up to the board (although I used that method in algebra in 9th grade--before monoculars were around! and it worked for me, actually really reinforced the learning).  Make sure she has a small hand-held magnifier to fall situations where large print doesn't come through.  Also, computer skills--keyboarding especially and use of screen enlargement software.    This last could actually help alot with her writing--she will be able to more easily correct and make changes as she goes along and the concerns about perfection will diminish--I had a child--without albinism--who had the same problem with writing        and when her teacher suggested whe wrote on the computer she blossomed.

     I don't know if you can specify class size on an IEP.

    Joni

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  • 10-02-2008 12:12 PM In reply to

    • mojo9
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    Re: Being independent at school

    My little guy has a kind CTTV (I think that is what they called it) the county actually provides for him, it allows him to focus in on the board the teacher is working on and enlarges it onto a monitor right in front of him, then for doing work at his desk he moves the arm and can see his books on on the scren, samething for the writing and he would prefer large lines also becuase he thinks he has to write big.  I know when you get bakc to the states you'll be able to get the help you need for school not sure about London though.  In the meantime maybe you could get a magnifying glass to use for reading at the desk.  As for the paper maybe get a few peices of it and use a marker to make the lines darker and then photo copy it for her to use.  Good luck

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  • 10-02-2008 2:12 PM In reply to

    Re: Being independent at school

     Lauren,

    I agree with what your saying about Joli both having ESL issues and vision issues. Does the teacher realize that's she also has the vision issues on of the ESL learning issues? Does Joli recieve any help for the vision issues?  Is Joli in any special education classes at school now?  I don't know if a specific class size number can be put in the IEP.

    From my personal experience being an adult with Albinism and also having qualifitied for special education services during the time I was in the public system in two different states. The first state that I attended school in was Connecticut and that was in the mid 1980's and early 1990's when I was in elementary school. I ended up attending  four or five different elementary schools which never included my neighborhood elementary school. During the time I was in elementary school the special education placement was mainly with kids with behavorial problems. In July of 1992 I moved to Utah with my mom and younger sister and we lived in Park City for five years where I attended middle shcool and my freshman and sophomore year of high school. My experience when I was in middle school it was wonderful experience becasue the special education department was more of a resource. I was mainstreamed into also all my classes during middle school.  Then,for my first two years of high school my the special education placement was with there most severely disabled students. I believe that the high school didn't really know how to deal with someone whose visual impairment was their main disability with a suspected learning disability as being a secondary problem.They never have been able to determine if their is a learning disabilty because mostly of the tests for that I believe are very visualy based.I When right before I started my Junior year of high school we moved to Salt Lake. The other high school that I attended for my junior and senior years of high school once again the special education department was more like a resource department instead and they let me have the freedom to go an change my schedule when i wanted to all I need to do is at least let them know I was going to do it. I was able to deal with through my guidance counselor instead of the department doing it like what happend in Park City.

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  • 10-02-2008 8:00 PM In reply to

    • Bebs85
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    Re: Being independent at school

    Hi Lauren,

    I am a graduate student studying occupational therapy.  Your daughter seems like a wonderful little girl!  I know there is lined paper with thicker black lines that may help Joli.  I have seen this paper used for children with motor impairments, but I thought it was much easier to see.  Or you could create her own paper on the computer by making a blank document in Microsoft word and just hitting the underscore (_) key all te way across and continue down the page.  To increase the line spacing change the font size.  This paper can then be photocopied so she has a stack of her own at her desk.  And if the lines aren't dark enough, you can try bolding the font or trace over them with a thick black marker before photocopying the paper. 

    I think it would be reasonable to ask the teacher to write out what is on the board and let Joli look at the paper copy at her desk when possible.  Then if things are written on the board spur of the moment, Joli can go up and use her marker board.  Or if she has a good friend, she can ask her friend quietly what is on the board and thus not have to stand up in case she doesn't want to "stand out" from the other kids. 

    I hope you and Joli can find something that works well for her.  Don't give up until she is happy and getting the same information as all the other students! 

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  • 10-04-2008 9:06 PM In reply to

    • mama2SnJ
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    Re: Being independent at school

    So far the help Joli (age 7 in year 3 at school) is getting is: sunscreen applied before any door breaks.  She cant go out without her hat.

    In the classroom she sits right by the teacher and is allowed to get up and go to the BIG board whenever she needs.  She has a little white board that the teachers are supposed to use to write down anything on the BIG Board that she is going to need to copy or use for directions etc.  Her school is ordering enlarged reading books , and at her grade level they use worksheets rather than textbooks anyway.  Her worksheets are enlarged though part of the homework for the weekend was to look at puzzle (worksheet) each peice of the puzzle had a number on it, and she had to color in all of the pieces that had numbers which were multiples of 4.  Even though the sheet was blown up she still had a hard time seeing the numbers. 

     

    We took her to a Pedi-opthamologist in the DC area and he tested her vision as being 20/400.  Before that her former school nurse tested her at about 20/80, and her another ped-opthamologist tested her at about 20/100.  We aren't sure 20/400 is acurate.  Basically at the doctors almost everything he asked her what it was she either said I don't know, I can't see it.  He stopped the test at 20/400.  But since before she was testing at around 20/100 my husband and I feel confused.  

     

    Will a low vision specialist help us decide which to get either an IEP or a 504 ?  Would a low vision specialist be able to tell us if Braille is a good idea and/or if we should have aid helper in the classroom with her for part of the day?  I prefer push in programs to pull out programs. That said Joli is currently pulled out twice a week for ESL & once a week for reading recovery -- both are one-on-one.

    Thanks for the advice

    Lauren

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  • 07-02-2009 9:20 AM In reply to

    Re: Being independent at school

     Lauren,

    It depends what time of the day you are taking her to get the eye exam done. If you take har early in the day the reading would be very different. I guess the when the school nurse did Joli vision screening might have be in the morning before she really had a chance to get any work done. A lot of parents on the board reccomnend to take child at the end of the day when you know for a fact that they are tired. So, to some degree all the reading you were getting might actually be correct based on the time of day the reading were done. 

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  • 07-05-2009 11:20 PM In reply to

    • Felicia
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    Re: Being independent at school

    Does she have a teacher of the visually impaired (TVI)?  The TVI would be the one to do a functional vision evaluation and a learning media assessment to determine, among other things, near vision reading distance and size of print needed, print, braille or both, necessary modifications to classroom materials and accomodations in the classroom and on tests.  She will probably need an IEP since she is legally blind and an ESL student.   

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